CNN scored an unique interview with the founding father of the hard-left 1619 Challenge, however quite than grill Nikole Hannah-Jones in regards to the gross historic errors from the indoctrination effort, New Day’s Brianna Keilar principally tossed softballs. She started by blaming Republicans for preventing again in opposition to the 1619 Challenge’s assaults on America: “Senate minority chief Mitch McConnell plunging into the tradition wars, calling for the training secretary to desert curriculum in American faculties that McConnell says tells a revisionist historical past of the nation’s founding.”
So it was Mitch McConnell who “plunged” into the tradition wars? Not Hannah-Jones and the 1619 Challenge erroneously claiming slavery was the rationale for the American revolution? After studying a quote from McConnell saying, “People by no means determined our youngsters needs to be taught that our nation is inherently evil,” the New Day host questioned, “I do know you are taking situation actually with that characterization. What’s your response to this letter?”
Keilar might have identified the cruel assault from mainstream historians, reminiscent of Pulitzer Prize-winning Grant Wooden who in 2019 dismissed, “It nonetheless strikes me as superb why the NY Occasions would put its authority behind a challenge that has such weak scholarly assist.”
As a substitute, she praised, “I reread your opening essay and I’d encourage anybody to do this no matter facet of this debate they’re on. If they are going to be speaking about this they actually need to learn that essay to resolve for themselves what the 1619 Challenge is about.”
Lastly, she gently broached the 1619 Challenge’s assaults on America’s founding:
And we hear from so many conservatives they’re feeling — and I feel that is one thing that we must always have you ever deal with, Nikole. They’re feeling that youngsters are being taught principally to really feel dangerous about being white or to really feel disgrace in being white. How do you deal with that?
That’s not less than mildly attending to the problem, however Keiler might have identified that Hannah-Jones has lashed out at “outdated, white male historians” who criticize her. Because the Wall Avenue Journal identified, this got here after Pulitzer Prize-winning historian James McPherson knocked her “implicit place that there have by no means been any good white individuals, thereby ignoring white radicals and even liberals who’ve supported racial equality.”
However in fact, CNN isn’t actually enthusiastic about a hard-hitting interview with an American-trashing liberal.
A transcript is under. Click on “develop” to learn extra.
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BRIANNA KEILAR: Senate minority chief Mitch McConnell plunging into the tradition wars, calling for the training secretary to desert curriculum in American faculties that McConnell says tells a revisionist historical past of the nation’s founding. The highest Republican claims that packages reminiscent of “The New York Occasions” 1619 Challenge, which is on a listing of curricula that if a faculty system makes use of they could be eligible for federal grants — he mentioned, quote, “…reorient the bipartisan American historical past and civics education schemes away from their supposed functions towards a politicized and divisive agenda.”
Now, the 1619 Challenge focuses on reframing American historical past with regards to slavery and with regards to the contributions of Black People. And becoming a member of me is the creator of the 1619 Challenge, Nikole Hannah- Jones. She is a workers author for the “New York Occasions Journal” and a 2020 Pulitzer Prize winner. And that is her first interview since Sen. McConnell despatched his letter. Nikole, thanks a lot. It is nice to see you once more. And we actually wished to see what you need to say to this as a result of as you’re conscious, the minority chief additionally wrote in his letter to the secretary of training, quote, “Households didn’t ask for this divisive nonsense. Voters didn’t vote for it. People by no means determined our youngsters needs to be taught that our nation is inherently evil.” I do know you are taking situation actually with that characterization. What’s your response to this letter?
NIKOLE HANNAH-JONES: Completely, and thanks for having me on and speaking about this. I might prefer to sort of reframe the query only a bit as a result of that is basically a free speech situation. For those who take a look at the rhetoric of Sen. McConnell and state legislators all throughout the nation which can be attempting to get payments handed to ban the instructing of the 1619 Challenge, it isn’t in regards to the information of historical past. It is about attempting to ban the instructing of concepts that they do not like. So we — you already know, I have been somewhat appalled by the silence of free speech advocates as there — these makes an attempt to ban concepts from being taught in faculties are being launched all throughout the nation. However in response to what he is saying, I — in fact, there isn’t any single line or argument within the 1619 Challenge that claims that this nation is an evil nation and it is, frankly, a ridiculous assertion. For those who learn my opening essay on democracy within the 1619 Challenge — the truth is, what I say is that regardless of all the pieces that this nation has achieved to Black People, the Black People have seen the worst of America and but nonetheless consider in its greatest. I really argue that Black individuals are the best democratizing power on this nation. So, no, this is not a challenge about attempting to show kids that our nation is evil, however it’s a challenge attempting to show kids the reality about what our nation was based mostly upon. And it is solely in actually confronting that reality — slavery was foundational to the USA. We, after slavery, skilled 100 years of legalized discrimination in opposition to Black People and people are merely the information of our historical past. What Mitch McConnell and others like him need is for our youngsters to get a propagandistic, nationalistic understanding of historical past that isn’t about truth however is about how they’d wish to fake that our nation is.
KEILAR: Sure. I’m — I reread your opening essay and I’d encourage anybody to do this no matter facet of this debate they’re on. If they are going to be speaking about this they actually need to learn that essay to resolve for themselves what the 1619 Challenge is about. I additionally wish to ask you whereas I’ve you right here, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis dismissed systemic racism in America in response to President Biden’s promise to sort out it throughout his congressional deal with the night time earlier than. That is — that is what he mentioned. Let’s hear.
[Clip of DeSantis on Fox.]
KEILAR: You recognize, from what I’m seeing is individuals are speaking about systemic racism, they’re declaring — and it’s backed by truth — that there are biases in programs that you may’t actually argue with. Like legal justice, whether or not it’s policing or whether or not it’s the court docket system. So what do you say to somebody like Gov. Ron DeSantis who’s making this argument? And we hear from so many conservatives they’re feeling — and I feel that is one thing that we must always have you ever deal with, Nikole. They’re feeling that youngsters are being taught principally to really feel dangerous about being white or to really feel disgrace in being white. How do you deal with that?
HANNAH-JONES: Properly, one, I’d say that I doubt that Rick (sic) DeSantis or most Republicans really know what vital race concept is. I doubt they’ve learn any precise vital race concept textual content. Important race concept has been round for a few a long time and abruptly now it is all that you simply hear them speaking about. And what might have — as a result of the way in which that they describe vital race concept is definitely not what vital race concept is. There are information. The very fact is Rick (sic) DeSantis is talking in regards to the lack of systemic racism from a state that was de jure segregated. A Jim Crowe state that had segregation and anti-Black legal guidelines all throughout each county within the state the place Black individuals might not likely vote till the Voting Rights Acts, the place there have been de jure segregated faculties, de jure segregated companies. So to then argue in a state the place authorized discrimination existed in each facet of American life till the Sixties that there is no such thing as a systemic racism is absolutely arguing for a rustic, once more, that has not ever existed. So what we — it is necessary to what they’re really arguing. They’re saying we won’t discuss our previous as a result of it’s shameful. They are not in a position to say that this isn’t the reality of our historical past, however that we should not educate kids our historical past as a result of it is shameful. I do not suppose anybody who reads vital race concept has ever seen it say white individuals ought to really feel dangerous about being white. It does say that racism is embedded in our establishments and till we acknowledge that, then we will be unable to undo the hurt of racism. However none of this — the 1619 Challenge, vital race concept, anti- racism coaching — is about making white individuals really feel badly about issues that they haven’t achieved. That is simply one thing that politicians are utilizing to actually stoke anger as a result of they see this as a — as a successful device within the tradition wars.